So she could see a different big picture than sometimes than I was. And she enjoyed the companionship with the Africans or natives or in a remote situation or wardens. She’s very social. In fact, I called my wife, miss big apple. She loved crowds. I never did do very well with crowds, but Betsey is pretty much at home with crowds. She grew up in Chicago, actually, Peoria, Illinois. And then it was in the advertising business in Chicago.
