Don Meier was so strict about the voice and the appearance of people that there were like eight or 10 people from the world of zoos that were interviewed and they never made it, there with Don. You had to be have just the right kind of voice and the right appearance. I don’t think Marlin necessarily was that critical, Don Meier was. So they finally, when I went back in the show in the early 80s, they had tried to get other people to be on the program, but it didn’t work out.