And Don Meier would build visually up to a point of action just before you went to a commercial. So you would build the action with the narration and then you’d go to commercial and you’d do another segment. And Don was very tuned in to all that. And he also knew how to, I think the real trick is telling a story. And so he was… No, he was experienced producer. And I used to, when I first went to Chicago, I stayed with him out in Winnetka, Illinois. And certainly I had to respect Don Meier a lot.