Well, I knew from the very beginning of the Don Meier, it had a lot of experience. And Chicago used to be the center of television, the central focus. And Don Meier was the producer that started Dave Galloway off. They used to be in Chicago. Hugh Downs, Don Meier was his producer for quite a while. So he had had a lot of background experience and Don Meier had the unique ability to understand what it was that people would enjoy looking at. Now, we were one of the first groups I think. Don Meier realized that the narration was secondary to what you’re seeing.