I used to lecture with these all over. So I think Marlin had second thoughts when he saw me with this old French automobile full of animals. I had to take a hose and sort of wash it out after that trip. I remember that cause the animals had done pretty good number on it, but I also had a peregrine falcon with me. So anyway, the end of the story, Marlin had me do the pilot film for a World Kingdom. The first one did they use to sell the series. And it was on that filming out in Lincoln Park with a big crew. It was one of my first really exposures to big time television other than The Today Show.