And I think keepers need to be involved, curators need to be involved, the veterinarians need to be involved and not just architects. We have zoo management teams that come in now and design exhibits for zoos, and these are nice, but often these multiple species exhibits or expansive exhibits don’t have the facilities and animals are not trained to go into those facilities on a routine basis. That includes some of the squeeze cages for giraffe, for even elephants, we can talk about restraint devices of one sort or another, unless the animals are trained to use those facilities, they’re useless. 1972, you went to the San Diego Zoo to help develop a keeper training program and do some clinical work.
