Bill Lindsey invited me to do consulting work with him, and I was just willing to respond first to their calls and then become part of actually their team. And that was a satisfying work, we conducted some elephant schools for veterinarians and others that I was involved with. I became interested in lamenesses, particularly of horses, but also elephants. And it was an evolutionary process for work with the circus. I had never been to a circus when I was a child, but I became enamored with a book called “Circus Doctor” by J.Y. Henderson, who is a pioneer in circus medicine and a delightful gentlemen in later years, I did meet him. But there’ve been a lot of great people, but they were flying by the seat of their pants as far as medicine at these animals are concerned. They used the principles of domestic animal medicine to be sure, some of them came for instance, J.Y. Henderson and Bill Lindsey came from the equine world, but there’ve been veterinarians that have come from small animal practices. I’ve worked with several different of veterinarians from Ringling.