There was a guy named Jerry Borin, he’s a nicest guy, he loves people. He’s not, don’t know anything about animals, he has a dog. You know, but sometimes in this business, believe it or not in the zoo world, sometimes someone that doesn’t know anything about animals can be a better administrator in the zoo world. And sure enough, I just, that was the first, she came up with the first name, my wife. Jerry Borin was his name. So I go out, just talk to Jerry. I said, “Jerry, would you like to be a part of “running the Columbus zoo?” You know, I called him up.
