Then all of a sudden Letterman starts in ’85, and much different, a much different show, by the way. I never knew who David Letterman was. Never even watched the show. And went to, we were on Carson on NBC there, Rockefeller Center. Then it moved after after five years there, we went to Ed Sullivan theater. And yes, I did take animals there. I’ve never, knocked on wood, I’d never seen him make fun of an animal. He tears me apart, but he respects that, he, I asked him to do that in the very first show I ever did with him.