That’s when Jeff Swanagan, who we all know lost his life, who built the Atlanta Aquarium, period. Who went down and turned the Tampa Aquarium, that was going bankrupt, he saved that one. He went to the zoo in Atlanta when Terri Maple called me, he said, “Jack, I’m going to hire Jeff from you.” I said, “Oh, I know, that’s terrible. “He’s head of our education.” Jeff was hired here at 18 years old, picking up trash with me on golf carts. And finally, after he’d been here about two or three years, “I want to start an education program here, education, Jack.” “Go and start, I don’t care what you do.” Jeff took that education, man. He just blew that, our education program here is one of the finest in the world, and Jeff Swanagan started that. So that’s how I kinda got going there. You know, as far as how we started our programs and education and stuff here at the zoo, with the, now turned out to losing his life, but literally making a difference in the entire zoo and aquarium world.
