So I said yes sir, no sir. And, and to this day I see Jim and he still is, you know, but, it’s funny I never, I never thought, I never dreamed about being on TV. I dreamed about traveling like Marlin Perkins. I will, my dad will tell you, “God, Dad, I gotta go.” He said, “Jackie, you can’t go to Africa.” Are you kidding me? Forget that, you know. I said, “Okay.” So I just went and did my animal stuff. And I just wanted to work in the zoo world. Never once, and your people will tell you, if you know history, did I seek TV. Even today.
