He wanted to see a rattlesnake too. So it turns out that they wanted me to start training. GIs are being shipped, particularly officers being shipped over to Korea on snakebite prevention identification of venomous snakes. But I did go to the El Paso Zoo. Jerry Tordt was the operator of the reptile gardens at that time. It was a private endeavor within a public zoo. He had the reptile gardens. He had a snake pit, rattlesnake pit with a lotta rattlesnakes.