When the zoo had a fundraising party, I would be at the gate with big boa or python around my shoulders, making sure everybody that came to the party if they wanted to, they got the chance to touch a snake. Marilyn was often sitting at my side greeting people, meeting people. And she also attended most of the national conferences that she could get away when the kids were small. She attended conference with me. So she got to know a lotta the zoo directors’ wives and zoo directors as well. Like Bill Braker, they’re old friends.