My children, actually when they were really little, I still had the pet shop and they helped raise a lotta baby animals. Wolves and coyotes. And so they grew up with animals before I went to the zoo. By the time I got to the zoo, they were already teenagers. They did come out to the zoo often. They took some of the classes at the zoo. Marilyn did accompany me to all zoo functions, so she got to be well-known. In fact, in my capacity as a friend-raiser as a curator going up the ranks.