Well as I came up through the ranks, I met George Rabb of course listening to his presentations and Bill Conway and Clayton Freiheit from Denver and Gary Clarke at Topeka. These were all colleagues that I could call up and ask for advice and guidance. And of course, many discussions at the bar. A lotta times with Clayton Freiheit at the bar, we would discuss zoo issues and philosophical aspects. And Roger Conant in Philadelphia. Those were all my mentors besides Marlin Perkins and Moody Lentz. And then later Uly Seal with the Captive Breeding Survival Group which I got active in that organization as a member when I was still curator ranks before I was director. The changing philosophy of zoos, both nationally and internationally was available to me and I was able to take that back to my zoo and I think bring my zoo.
