So we have docent stations all over the zoo. So they play both informal and formal role in educating our public. Now you mentioned that there was the marketing guy, Briggs, and he was followed by another non-animal guy. He was followed. At the same time, they thought that he would bring better public image to the zoo. But they were also concerned about financial stability, so they brought in a retired Pricewaterhouse CPO financial expert to manage the books and the budgeting. His name was Richard Schultz. He worked under Bob Briggs for two years and then Bob Briggs was released and Dick Schultz was appointed director.