He had had a zoo show at Cincinnati Zoo patterned after the old “Zoo Parade” where they would bring animals from the zoo to the studio and then talk about each animal with a theme, birds or mammals or reptiles. So when he came to St. Louis, the producer from his TV show was transferred to St. Louis as well. And he approached Bill Hoff and said, “Let’s do the St. Louis Zoo ahow.” So Bill Hoff became the host of the St. Louis Zoo show. And at that time as education curator at the zoo, he asked me to be the co-host. So I was the co-host, so I was the animal handler. So I was the one that was on camera though handing the animals to Bill and he would talk about it, then I’d talk to him a little bit. And we had people off camera that handled ’em. Well that was for about a year and then Bill Hoff left.