“Let him find out how they’re doing it, what they’re doing it.” And so I got a chance to go to my first national meeting taking a train from St. Louis to Denver, Denver to Colorado Springs. We stayed at Broadmoor Hotel which was a very impressive hotel. I got to meet a lotta great zoo people. I did talk to people that had zoo programs that were just in their infancy really. At San Diego Zoo, it was all-volunteer program. They had docents that took all the classes, took the school groups around. At the Philadelphia Zoo, they had a zoo mobile which was a Volkswagen bus all painted up with animals on it. Isabelle Conant would go to the schools and she’d give a talk.