And about that time, I was relieved for my keeper duties in the reptile house. But I still kept a working relationship in the reptile house. Maybe there was some prized specimen I still took care of on the side. Maybe these were the reptiles that I used in the classroom. By the time Ed came, we had a full-time secretary. Ultimately we had a staff of about five in the education department. By then I was pretty well completely free of any keeper duties and got more involved in administration. But I was still assistant curator of reptiles, so I did the annual census.