Well first of all, I had known Moody Lentz from childhood days from bringing specimens there. And when I had pet shop, Moody did come out. He loved baby turtles and I always had exotic baby turtles which I got from Trudy Jergens. Yellow-neck and orange-neck, spine-neck turtles and even some South American red ears which were different from the North American red ear. Always has some unusual baby turtles and Moody loved to have them. He invited me to go down to the Snakedens in southern Illinois with him. He had been going down to the Snakedens in the early ’26. In fact, Marlin Perkins, Moody Lentz and George Vierheller took Raymond L. Ditmars who was the curator of herpetology at the Bronx Zoo.