Well, my predecessor Bill Hoff was the assistant director in Lincoln Park. He was under Marlin. I worked very closely with Bill over the years, far closer to build an I did Marlin. Marlin was obviously the larger figure. Bill had an opportunity to obtain the directorship. He applied for and obtained the directorship of Cincinnati. And he needed somebody who was- It was a difficult zoo, the zoo was in poor repair, it had been neglected. The majority of the keeper force was illiterate.
