The salamanders were- The salamander initiative came as a result of not many people being able to keep them. The challenge was there to develop husbandry protocols and get them going. And I accomplished that, published a lot of information that I had. Bred some very, very difficult species. And I was on the road to the giant salamander and we had two tragedies happen. One, somebody who was in- We had a salamander room where I got some Japanese giant salamanders from Hiroshima and the aquarium, and I had a nice setup. I followed the director’s advice, I had a captive breeding setup. It was quite elaborate, it was in a basement of our gorilla center.
