I was chairman of the black rhino SSP and early on in our efforts, I was having some difficulties or they were having difficulties with me as well, because the earlier concepts of the ranchers in Texas, the ranchers in Texas wanted to expand the black rhino program by bringing animals in from the wild, and of course, some of their ultimate goals was in rhino hunting, and that’s where I had my real problems. You know, shooting a domestic rhino, you might as well be shooting a barn, into a barn. You got the same effect. We finally resolved those issues. There were a number of ranchers that I felt had far deeper interests than hunting, and they wanted actual conservation of these magnificent animals, and we worked out our problems. We had worked with some of the Texas zoos. We originally had some difficulties and we ironed them all out. And I was SSP chairman for the black rhino.