When I was at the zoo, I was a very fortunate individual. I was enamored with life, it could be an insect or it could be an elephant. I had no specific animals that I was- if I did specialize in an animal, or I took a great interest in an animal, like I was interested for a while in fossorial animals. I wanted to design at one time an exhibit around ground-living animals, or animals that lived in, you know. The Hidden World, that was going to be the name of the exhibit, and it was gonna deal with moles and shrews, animals are rarely seen and do it in an exciting way, and I think by doing things like that, it kept the creative juices flowing, and it was a way of, I don’t know, fulfilling dreams and desires and getting things really rolling in the right direction. The Cincinnati Zoo had some collecting trips and ’65 and ’66.