At Cincinnati we’re very fortunate. We had no problem- No matter what problems we might’ve had in keeper force or unions, nobody could ever say we were cruel to our, and as I stated earlier, the collection was always paramount in my- We took care of our collection before and anything else. So that was not a problem. Where I faced a problem was, when I retired, about a year after I retired, I became the interim director of the Los Angeles Zoo. So I was there for, oh, I took the assignment from the mayor for three months and I ended up spending 13 months, and there they have a major, major animal rights problem. You know, Bob Barker and the whole- You know, there’s just- You’d resolve one problem, and they’d come up with four more. So my way of dealing with that was to bring in the animal rights people, we would have an animal, kind of a management session, but we’d include animal rights people in that. And it was specifically to deal with their problems that were brought to their attention, and often the keepers would use this as a platform obviously to share their grievances at times, which is unfair.
