Marlin Perkins was a very- He was a study in- Observing Marlin and the way he operated was very, very important to me in my later life. Marlin was very unpredictable. He was a good animal man. I mean, I remember a day when he walked by, just to cite an example, Marlin grabbed up these keepers who were trying to trim the hooves of a donkey and the donkey was giving them a bad time, and he got so frustrated. He picked that donkey up, placed it on the ground and he did the hoof trimming himself. That was a kind of individual mark. He was very unpredictable, but he was a good boss, he was a good man to look up to. He tolerated no nonsense, and he was obviously a very intelligent man and a man that, deeply passionate about his work.