Those sorts of things, to get some feel for the individuals. And as long as we’re talking about the curatorial level, we have to also talk about the veterinary aspect. And the same is true with zoo vets. There are a lot of zoo vets around, a huge number of zoo vets but there’s only a handful of zoo vets that are really good zoo vets, who have the same blend of academics, experience, history of volunteerism, motivation and commitment to the profession. From the exhibit standpoint, today’s in today’s world, one of the hot topics is elephants in captivity. And just to get your view about maintaining elephants in captivity, does one spend, I’ll use just the number $42 million on an elephant exhibit, and could that money be better spent, to helping elephants in the wild and third followup question is, has the national organization that you were president of, been supportive of zoos in their quest to do this. In my view, but you have to remember who I am and where I came from, in my view, a zoo is not a zoo, unless people can see elephants. People are not going to be empathetic to the plight of elephants in nature, unless they know what an elephant is.
