It needed to do something about the Mexican Wolf and increasing numbers of Mexican wolves. And the animals were essentially going extinct in the wild. They had to rely on captive reproduction as they have, since then till now, to bolster populations. And so I convince the AZA board that they should send me, as chairman of the Wildlife Conservation Management Committee to the Mexican Wolf meeting that was held in Tucson, Arizona. And it had representatives from the country of Mexico, from the states of New Mexico, from the states of Arizona, from the Fish and Wildlife Service, US Fish and Wildlife Service, wildlife biologists from the individual states and from the country of Mexico, and I was the AZA representative. And over the course of about a year, largely with the help of largely with the help of the head of the department, natural resources in New Mexico, we developed a plan that heavily relied on captive propagation of Mexican wolves to ultimately be released into a former habitat as an endangered species that needed handling. And as part of that, we made a decision collectively and individually that we would hire a former Fish and Wildlife Service trapper, by the name of Roy McBride, who would go out and would trap remaining Mexican wolves in the Chihuahua Mountains, in Mexico, in Northern Mexico. And Roy to the best of my recollection, and he was a joy to be was something out of an old Western.