And I felt personally and professionally that that was, I wasn’t gonna let that happen. And so on a couple of occasions, once I remember during a Elephant Manager’s Congress in California, where I appeared as the representative AZA, that’s the president of the board, I took on an activist group. And I remember in a couple of local situations where I was vocal about their justification for their activities. And to this day, I understand where some of the thinking is coming from, but I don’t agree with all of it.
