And I’m speaking specifically, there certainly could be others of Saul Kitchener, who was an assistant director who moved out, Pat Sass with the great apes or Ed Yanco or Joe McHale, or anybody that made an impression maybe you learned from, or they gave you a hard time, or was part of your education at Lincoln Park Zoo. Yeah, we’ll start with, excuse me. We’ll start with Saul. Saul came from Oklahoma City and he came with a wealth of private knowledge. He came with at a wealth of experience, he came with a psychology degree. He was get in there and get it done, kind of guy. He taught all of us. He taught all of us a different management style, a different way to look at the collection, particularly with primates, he was a tremendous asset for the zoo at the time that he was there because he brought something to us that we didn’t have.
