And the old timers didn’t do that. The old timers were more subtle. The old timers would just sort of take care of things unsaid, but with the new group more and more, it was, there were more people that were better educated, better informed, who had stronger opinions, good, bad, or indifferent who were willing to tell you exactly how they felt and why they felt that way. You talked about and mentioned, Ed Armendariz as the curator of reptiles and members of the staff. There were other members.
