And when this news came out, the a ZA found out about it. And so Ted Reed got the Zoo Goof of the Year award that year, and he was a good sport. He, he played the clown, you know, played the fool along with the whole story and got his award at the annual meeting that year. And, and then we did get a mail who was fertile. But one of the first lessons for me there was we got a mail from another zoo. He was kind of a small factory in mail, and he had been in captivity for so many years that he had his cage stereotyping. And this just hit me between the eyes. I’d never seen, I’d seen cage stereotypies before, you know, a fixed pattern of mo mo motion that’s been induced by very close confinement.
