The Hoofstock capers used to come over and ask for my help when they had a problem with Hoofstock. And I’d go over and help ’em, and I, it kind of fed my interest in Hoofstock. So I started reading extensively about deer and antelopes. And then when I was at Front Royal, we had all these things coming in. So, and we were getting grants for, or we were giving out fellowships for scholarly studies, postdocs to come and do research on these things. So Joel Berger ended up out at the center studying the honors. And you know, we had other students, Sharon Pfeiffer studied the sym to our horned orx. So we had a lot of people coming out to do stuff.
