So that was an important sort of thing. I think reinforcing a scientific approach approach to scientific management was something that our organization bought into. Nobody argued with that. The center was like that and the zoo was like that. We believed in it and I played a role in that with a lot of other people in the organization. The international training was something that I reinforced and enhanced by hiring staff and getting external grants with Rudy. So that’s something I’m proud of. It’s, I don’t, I think that’s all gone now.
