And I was fascinated by the hoot tiger relationship. And I started to read Kipling’s stories about mahuts and I realized that Kipling knew a lot about elephant ma mahut relations, where he had a good imagination and was making stuff up. So I started paying more and more attention to it myself. And I started to collect data on it. And then I applied for A-U-S-A-I-D grant to study the mahut elephant relationship. And I was never able to accomplish all the things I wanted to do because my job was getting a bit more complicated and there were more demands on the job and more problems that were coming up, but had enough money to pay people to collect data. So we, when we were doing the zoo biologic training courses, we collected blood samples from domestic elephants and we got all the information on the origin of those elephants would forest, they came from that sort of thing. And then Rob Fleischer ended up doing the analysis on the genetics of the Southeast Asian elephants based on that information that we collected.
