Yeah, that was my friend Dave Rentz, who was also in the student section, was close friends with Cary Baldwin, who was the director of the San Francisco Zoo. And Dave was one of those kids that was always hanging around the zoo. And Baldwin had a television program too, I forget what they called it. And when they were developing the program, the producer said, what we need here is kind of a smart kid to ask hard questions. And so we can keep Baldwin, Baldwin was a character and so we can keep Baldwin talking, saying goofy stuff and that’ll make them laugh. So he told the producer on the first show, told Dave, he said, ask him the questions to keep him laughing. And so Dave was on that program and he knew Baldwin so well that when I wanted to band bats, Dr. Orr got me bat band so I could band bats. There was a huge colony of Myotis yumanensis in the hay paddock of the elephant house at the zoo.