Yeah, that was my friend Dave Rent, who was also in the student section, was close friends with Carrie Baldwin, who was the director of the San Francisco Zoo. And Dave was one of those kids that was always hanging around the zoo. And Baldwin had a television program too, I forget what they called it. And when they we’re developing the program, the producer said, what we need here is kind of a smart kid to ask hard questions. And so we can keep Baldwin, Baldwin was a character and so we can keep Baldwin talking, saying goofy stuff and that’ll make him laugh. So he told the producer on the first show, told Dave, he said, ask him the questions to keep him laughing. And so Dave was on that program and he knew Baldwin so well that when I wanted to ban bats, Dr. Orr got me bat band so I could ban bats. There was a huge colony of my Otis human ansis in the hay paddock of the elephant house at the zoo.
