And we picked something that very little is known about, kind of a mystery species. And we got the money to do that. So I went over two years in a row and then on the third year I brought Larry Collins and Ken Lang, who is a keeper at CRC and we live trapped one. But I had enough money in that little grant that was a separate grant to pay for a PhD student at a university in, in Jakarta to pursue a field study. And he went out there and he collected them live specimens and made observations and he got a, he did a dissertation on that. But I never interra interacted with him directly. I worked through Jack West who was a Dutch Indonesian who was a general curator at the Jakarta Zoo at the time. So working with the keepers at the Jakarta Zoo, they always wanted me to give a lecture for the Keepers.
