I’d sit in the dining at the kitchen table after dinner with my computer and just hammering away and doing the chapters. And it was just flowing. You know, it was, writing can be hard sometimes, but this was easy to do and it was fun ’cause there were challenges to learn about the various curricula that we were gonna cover in the chapters. So we got that done and then we started using that. And then as you know, it was translated into several languages and we never published it. It’s just out there. Anybody can use it. There’s no copyright on it or anything. But that’s how it got started. And the idea for the training for me for the zoo biology training was going to Indonesia three years in a row, 78 to 1980 and working out of the Cabo Benetton Ragnan, which is the Jakarta Zoo, and working with the staff to collect and collect some biological data at the same time about the, the Cece Giant ct, it was called, it was only known for maybe a dozen specimens that were in some Dutch zoos that were collected during the Dutch colonial period.
