And we, we were in a food line and I got chatting with him and he wanted to know what we were doing and I told him we were doing this training stuff, but we needed to tap into some more fun funds to expand, expand the program. And he said, he said, well, you know, you’re welcome to apply to Pew. He said, we’ll give you a fair shake. We’ll see if it matches our goals. And so when I got back I had to go to the fundraising office at Smithsonian and get clearance from them. And so I said, I met John Jensen, a few charitable trusts, said we had a good talk. I said, I think there’s a chance that they might be interested in entertaining a proposal for this international training in wildlife biology and zoo biology. ’cause the zoo biology was just an idea at the time.
