We had family disputes that came into it where lawyers were involved in and I mean we had all kinds of problems, but we managed to stay focused on what our goals were and the place developed and grew and, and ended up with a robust stable of scientists, biologists, and keepers and, and curators. So it was a success and it’s evolved and has changed now. So it gave me a great deal of satisfaction. I enjoyed it. And I was courted by Portland Zoo one time and I never wanted to leave CRCI was, it satisfied me as a job completely. There were lots of possibilities. I could be involved in overseas work, I could come up with programs like the Zoo biology training course. And I kind of got the international training program going by hiring Rudy Rudman when I was acting director. So I was happy. I mean that was a great job.
