I count me in, if you’re gonna do that, I want to go to Mexico. And he got money, he got money from, well it was easy to get money in those days in the sixties, but he got money from like two sources. And so like four of us, we bought a 1952 Ford Station wagon. We painted Aztec symbols all over the side of it. And we drove 2000 miles to Veracruz, Mexico and we climbed Mount Aaba and we collected specimens all summer and we meant went back and we did it second time. So that was kind of my involvement. That’s how I got involved into science and mammals. And I discovered when Professor deland, Mueller Schwartz took a job as an ethology instructor at SF State, I found out that you can study live animals.
