I didn’t tell you about the music part because my father had us all learn instruments, but that’s another chapter in my early life. But at SF State, I loved taking zoology courses and met a number of professors, became good friends, remained friends with them till the end of their lives. And there was one professor named Larry Swan who had a TV program in San Francisco about science. And he taught a course in Zoogeography. So we learned about the Pacific Islands and the islands around the world and island biogeography and how a fauna comes to be constituted over time through immigration and dispersal by different species and that sort of thing. And it was fascinating. And he had early in his career, gone down and climbed Mount Orizaba with his, with an assistant that he had hired. And he talked about his adventures there. And he learned, learned to speak Spanish in on Mount Orizaba with his assistant.
