So my grandpa said, let’s all go down to Ben Loman, where he had a cottage in the Santa Cruz mountains above uc, Santa Cruz now. And so we started going down there on weekends and during summers and I started collecting mammals real seriously. And I got the neighborhood kids down there to help me. So we’d go out and we might take 20 specimens a morning using snap traps. And then my parents and grandparents tolerated me sitting at the picnic table next to the house. We had to cover it with newspapers and skinning mice and rats and making ’em into study skins and putting labels on ’em. So Dr. Orr was very impressed at the end of the summer where I brought this big box of specimens home as here’s this kid in high school, you know, 16-year-old kid in high school collecting all these things. So he said, he gave, he sent me on a mission.
