Well, one of the things that the Smithsonian did, it was a, a standard practice in si, excuse me, was to have reviews, review committees would come. And it seemed to me that there was a period there where every four or five years we were having another review committee coming in, and they would, you had to prepare all these materials. It occupied a lot of time preparing for these guys. So the community would be put together at a higher level of the institution, in some cases, at a higher level of the zoo. Or, I was tasked with getting people and putting it together, because often the, the initiative came at a level where they didn’t know anything, but they wanted us to do it because it was processed within this si. So Wimmer get together a team of experts that are gonna review your operations. So then I would recommend names and everything. And, and you know, they, they were all people I knew usually, or were known by members of my staff.
