You know, a ZA was like $124 or something. It was really high. It was a pricey thing, you know. So I joined the a DA and then that was a little leap in getting to know people and interacting with people in the, and you know, that we were all on the same track. We were all learning, you know, there was no one that you could go to that was a major authority. There were the old silverbacks, like Hager and Marvin Jones was always a source of information. And Bill Conway always had his opinions and George had his, George Rab and Eisenberg was in the mix and others, you know, but it was all evolving. You know, it wasn’t, it wasn’t a cut and dry process in how it happened, but it happened. And, you know, then eventually we got into the assisted reproduction, artificial insemination and cryo-preservation of gametes and all that sort of thing that came to the center.
