So eventually, you know, my philosophy of zoo and my philosophy of conservation developed, and that was guided in part by things that happened at the zoo and the research that was going on. Kathy roll’s research on inbreeding and captive breeding and that sort of thing. It was also based on, you know, just getting to know the business and learning from people that were in the zoo business curators going to the, I, I wasn’t even a member of the A ZA until something happened. And Bob Wagner mentioned me for some, they knew who I was. And then Reed found out that I wasn’t a member of the A ZA and called up and you better join, join right now. How much is it? It’s like over a hundred dollars. I don’t pay. I was a member of the American Society of Mam Ologists at the age of 16. I used to pay $4 a year and I got four journals.
