And they had weekend field trips. They had two Dodge power wagons and they’d drive the kids out to the East Bay or down down the peninsula, or to the San Bruno Mountains or to Marin County, and we’d collect specimens. And there was this wild guy who was one of the supervisors named Ray Bandar, had this great shock of hair that looked like he’d been riding the motor, a motorcycle all morning. He was a bodybuilder, he was tanned, he was a skull collector. And he was going to San Francisco State to get a teaching degree in art. And he became a role model for us. And I remember he took us out and he was gonna teach us how to collect beetles. And we went out into this cow pasture and he had a crowbar.