They’re domestic. There are no wild bres left in the wilder. If there are, there’s, you could count ’em on two hands. And so he was getting resistance to ideas like this. And you know, bill Z was kind of in on it too. He was, and Miles was another one, miles was very well informed, you know, had a technical mind about all this stuff. But when he, the white, white Tigers, for example, Ted started to get challenged on the white tigers and he loved the white tigers and his whole career had been built on the white tigers. And, and his wife had played a role in it, hand rearing the white tigers and all that sort of thing. But the zoo was challenging him on these ideas because they had kind of a different philosophy about how, about how you selected species for captivity.
