So I went down the list of his doc. There was hail men, there was Morse, there was slight, there was, oh, Keith Nelson, John Eisenberg. And Eisenberg was the last, and after I finished he said, that’s the guy I want to meet. I said, well he is, he’s works down at the zoo. I said, you can find him down there and you can talk with him. I said, just call up and make an appointment with his secretary. Why Holden? So he called up and the next time I saw, next time I went to the zoo, which was several weeks later ’cause I was taking courses at that time, Larry was the biotech in the research division. So John had the research division with Gene and his biotech.
