So I went down the list of his doc. There was Hailman, there was Morse, there was slight, there was, oh, Keith Nelson, John Eisenberg. And Eisenberg was the last, and after I finished he said, that’s the guy I want to meet. I said, well he is, he’s works down at the zoo. I said, you can find him down there and you can talk with him. I said, just call up and make an appointment with his secretary. Why Holden? So he called up and the next time I saw, next time I went to the zoo, which was several weeks later ’cause I was taking courses at that time, Larry was the biotech in the research division. So John had the research division with Gene and his biotech.
