Yeah, that was Gene Maliniak. Reed gave, actually, Reed made tremendous sacrifices for Eisenberg. You know, he knew that research was important to Ripley so he could satisfy Ripley and also be a leader within the North American zoos because there wasn’t much of this going on in other zoos at the time. So the research capacity just grew and grew and grew. And Reed gave John his best keeper. And that was Gene Maliniak who came from a small town in Pennsylvania. He was a Ukrainian American and he had a, a distinctive but slight accent, which was amusing. And he was a very dedicated and very serious keeper and very meticulous in what he did.
